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Who Is Telling The Truth?

According to Roman Catholicism, and Eastern Orthodoxy, no Protestant is truly a Christian. According to their doctrine, we are false Christians. Their doctrine insists that a person must affirm, and obey, their extrabiblical traditions. For instance, you must be baptized into their church. You must agree that their traditions are equal in authority to the holy Word of God.

Let’s compare the Roman Catholic, and Eastern Orthodox views of baptism.

Roman Catholic: The Catechism teaches that “Holy Baptism is the basis of the whole Christian life, the gateway to life in the Spirit…Through Baptism we are freed from sin and reborn as sons of God; we become members of Christ…” — it effects a sacramental character (permanent mark) and is the door to the other sacraments. Vatican II also situates Baptism as foundational to ecclesial identity and ecumenical considerations.
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Eastern Orthodox: Baptism is likewise the mystery (sacrament) of new birth, death and resurrection with Christ, entrance into the Church, and the cleansing of sins; Orthodox theology places strong liturgical/mystical emphasis on Baptism as part of the paschal (death–resurrection) reality and on its immediate completion by the gift of the Spirit (Chrismation).

Biblically speaking, both of these views are heretical, and heterodox. The Word of God calls the extrabiblical doctrines of men, doctrines of demons.

Then some Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?
For God said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother is to be put to death.’
But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition.
You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:
‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far away from Me.
‘But in vain do they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’” After Jesus called the crowd to Him, He said to them, “Hear and understand.
It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man.” Then the disciples came and said to Him, “Do You know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this statement?” But He answered and said, “Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted.
Let them alone; they are blind guides of the blind. And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”
(Matthew 15:1-14 [NASB])

But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer.
(I Timothy 4:1-5 [NASB])

These two false churches teach the heresy of baptismal regeneration, and the baptismal expiation of sin. Neither of these things are true according to God’s Word. You have to ask yourself, “Who am I going to believe, God or man made tradition?” Biblically speaking, baptism is done as a symbol identifying you with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. Baptism does not regenerate a person to new life in Christ. It is not the means the Holy Spirit uses to bring a person to new life. You can’t strong arm God into making a person born again by baptizing them.

Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.” Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
(John 3:1-8 [NASB])

Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men. For we also once were foolish ourselves, disobedient, deceived, enslaved to various lusts and pleasures, spending our life in malice and envy, hateful, hating one another. But when the kindness of God our Savior and His love for mankind appeared, He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. This is a trustworthy statement; and concerning these things I want you to speak confidently, so that those who have believed God will be careful to engage in good deeds. These things are good and profitable for men. But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
(Titus 3:1-10 [NASB])

For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. (II Corinthians 5:1 [NASB])

Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen (I Peter 1:1 [NASB])

Further more, baptism does not take away your sins.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1 [NASB])

Now there was a man at Caesarea named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort, (Acts 10:1 [NASB])

Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and through Him everyone who believes is freed from all things, from which you could not be freed through the Law of Moses.
(Acts 13:38-39 [NASB])

CategoryRoman CatholicEastern OrthodoxProtestant / EvangelicalBiblical Evidence / Emphasis
Nature of BaptismA sacrament that actually conveys grace; instrument of forgiveness and regeneration.A mystery (sacrament) that unites the believer to Christ, washing away sin and beginning transformation (theosis).An ordinance / sign that symbolizes forgiveness and regeneration already accomplished by Christ and applied by the Spirit through faith.Baptism is commanded and symbolically linked to cleansing, but forgiveness is grounded in Christ’s blood and received by faith (Rom 3:24–25; Acts 10:43; 1 John 1:7).
Agent of ExpiationGod’s grace through baptism (the rite is the instrument).The Holy Spirit acting through baptism within the Church.The Holy Spirit, applying Christ’s atonement directly to the believer’s heart; baptism is a witness and seal.“The blood of Jesus… cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:7); “God presented Him as a propitiation by His blood” (Rom 3:25).
Connection to ForgivenessBaptism remits all sin (original and personal) and the punishment due to it.Baptism cleanses and incorporates into divine life; continual healing of sin follows.Baptism signifies the washing already received through repentance and faith; does not itself expiate.Forgiveness consistently tied to faith in Christ and His sacrifice (Acts 10:43; Eph 1:7).
Key Proof Texts UsedJohn 3:5; Acts 2:38; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet 3:21; Eph 5:26.John 3:5; Titus 3:5; Rom 6:3–4; Col 2:12; 1 Pet 3:21.Acts 10:43–48; Rom 3:24–26; Eph 2:8–9; 1 John 1:7; Luke 23:43.Core “expiation” verses center on Christ’s death and blood (Rom 5:8–9; Heb 9:12–14; 1 Pet 2:24).
View of Water’s RoleInstrumental – God uses the water to effect grace.Mystical / synergistic – Spirit works through water in divine mystery.Symbolic / declarative – outward sign of inward cleansing.Scripture never attributes sin’s removal to water itself but to Christ’s blood (Heb 9:22; Rev 1:5).
Examples of Forgiveness Before BaptismExplained as “baptism of desire” (extraordinary).Acknowledged as possible mystery of grace.Cited as proof baptism not essential for forgiveness (Cornelius, thief on cross).Acts 10:44–48; Luke 23:43 clearly show forgiveness/Spirit before baptism.
Theological EmphasisSacramental realism: grace in the act.Transformational participation in divine life.Justification by faith; baptism as public identification with Christ.“We are justified by His blood… reconciled to God” (Rom 5:9–10).

You can see how the early Church agreed with what Jesus, and the Apostles taught, and then as time passed, heresy crept in. It took the Protestant Reformation to bring us back into biblical orthodoxy.

PeriodView of Baptism’s Expiatory RoleAlignment with New Testament
Apostolic (1st Century)Baptism as command, sign of repentance and faith, public identification with Christ; forgiveness through Christ’s blood.✅ Strongly aligned
2nd CenturyBaptism as regeneration and remission of sins, still tied to repentance and catechesis.⚠️ Partially aligned
3rd–5th CenturiesFully sacramental: baptism itself remits sin and infuses grace.⚠️ Partially aligned (adds ritual causality)
Reformation (16th Century onward)Return to Scripture’s emphasis on faith and Christ’s blood; baptism as sign and seal of that grace.✅ Closest alignment

God granted conviction, &repentance of sin, faith in the work, and Person of Jesus Christ, and regeneration to new life, are the efficacious preconditions to baptism, not baptism itself. It is merely a symbol. While Roman Catholics, and Eastern Orthodox, will insist they are the one true Church, they are also the ones who believe doctrines of men, which developed later, and were not Biblical. They are the ones that exclude the possibility of being truly Christian if outside of them. Meanwhile, most Protestants will rightly say that they are not God, and don’t know for certain that there are no true Christians sitting in Roman Catholic, or Orthodox churches. We believe that if they are truly born again, and in Christ, they will become more sanctified as time passes, and will see the errors of Rome, and the East. They will leave those false churches, and find one that esteems God’s Word, over man’s traditions. Repent, and trust Jesus, not your baptism, your church, or your priest!

Apologetics · Church · Theology

The evils of unorthodox ecumenism.

ec·u·me·nism  (ky-m-nzm, -ky-)

1. A movement promoting unity among Christian churches or denominations.

2. A movement promoting worldwide unity among religions through greater cooperation and improved understanding.

 

There is a proper ecumenism within the orthodox denominations and then there is the ecumenical movement which is not good.  It is one of unifying the body of Christ with false churches.  For instance Baptists, Presbyterians, and Methodists might get together to have a worship service including singing, praying, and communion.  They could do this because they worship the same God and agree who God is by affirming all of the same Primary Articles of Faith.  What it can’t be is orthodox denominations doing this with false churches that are apostate, or heretical and outside of orthodoxy.  For instance if we had Methodists, Baptists, Roman Catholics, and Mormons getting together to have a worship service including singing, praying, and communion.  This can not be due to the fact that the Roman Catholic Church and the LDS worship a different God than that of the Bible.  The RCC worships a god that does not save you by grace alone.  You must belong to the RCC, practice it’s sacraments, be baptized into it, and further they believe that Mary did not die but was ascended to heaven and is your co-redemtrix who brings your prayers to the feat of Christ and without her your prayers can not be heard and you can not be saved.  They also believe in an infusement of righteousness that you must maintain.  You get an initial washing and then must keep yourself saved.  This is not the same gospel nor the same God of the Bible.  The LDS believe in a god that is not the one and only god and that is not eternal.  Their god can not save you either.

 

Ecumenism is an important.  We must know what a true Church is and how we should interact with them and how we should interact with false churches.

 

Here is a good sermon from A.W. Tozer.  Even though he preached this years and years ago it is still relevant and informative.

http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=298

 

 

 

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Question: “Is ecumenism biblical? Should a Christian be involved in the ecumenical movement?” Answer: Walter A. Elwell, in The Concise Evangelical Dictionary of Theology, defines ecumenism as “The organized attempt to bring about the cooperation and unity among Christians.” On an international level, the World Council of Churches represents ecumenism when it states its purpose this way (as taken from its website: http://www.wcc-coe.org): “The World Council of Churches is a fellowship of churches which confess the Lord Jesus Christ as God and Savior according to the scriptures, and therefore seek to fulfill together their common calling to the glory of the one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is a community of churches on the way to visible unity in one faith and one eucharistic fellowship, expressed in worship and in common life in Christ. It seeks to advance towards this unity, as Jesus prayed for his followers, ‘so that the world may believe’ (John 17:21).” On a national level, a document called Evangelicals and Catholics Together: The Christian Mission in the Third Millennium, published in 1994 and endorsed by some rather prominent representatives of Evangelical Christianity and Roman Catholicism, is another example of ecumenism. The important question is this: Are ecumenical ventures right and biblical? Should we be involved with other “Christians” in joint ventures, either locally, nationally or internationally? The answer to this question is not black and white. As is almost always the case, one must weigh out the answer in each situation specifically. However, there are a couple of biblical guidelines which will help us make God-honoring decisions regarding ecumenism. First of all, Are those we are joining with truly Christians in the biblical sense of the word? Many people and organizations in America and the world “name the Name of Jesus Christ” and even state He is Lord and Savior and yet clearly reject what the Bible says about Him. Obvious examples of this are Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses. They will say they are followers of Jesus Christ and are Christian and yet deny with vehemence what the Bible declares concerning Christ’s nature and work. A not-so-obvious example comes in the form of liberal Christianity. Liberal Christianity is found in almost every denomination in the United States and, although it may seem very Christian, usually liberal Christians reject several essential biblical truths such as the inspiration and authority of the Bible (2 Timothy 3:16), Jesus as the only Savior of the entire world (John 14:6, 1 Timothy 2:5), and salvation as God’s free gift to those who believe apart from good works (Romans 3:24, 28; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:8-9). As seen with the publication of Evangelicals and Catholics Together, there is a major emphasis in our day on ecumenical unity among Evangelicals and Roman Catholics. Those who promote such unity state that both are Christian and both are viable, God-honoring systems of faith. But clearly the substantial differences between the two groups render ECT a ridiculous document. Biblical Christianity and Roman Catholicism are two different religions that practice and believe different things about how one is saved, the authority of the Bible, the priesthood of believers, the nature of man, the work of Christ on the cross, etc. The list of irreconcilable differences between what the Bible says and what the Roman Catholic Church says makes any joint mission between the two absolutely impossible. Those who deny this are not being true to what they say they believe, no matter which side they are on. Any Catholic who is serious about his faith will deny what a serious evangelical Christian believes and vice-versa. The difficulty with ecumenism is that often the above listed groups are passionately like-minded with biblical Christians regarding a given issue. Biblical Christians are usually marked by a strong pro-life belief, a strong traditional view of the family, a strong emphasis on compassion for the homeless and sick, and a strong desire to see justice in the world. The above groups are often marked by the same desires. Thus, the temptation to “pool resources” in pursuit of a common cause is sometimes great. This leads to the next guideline. Second, what is the ultimate goal of this ecumenical venture? The Scriptures give clear guidance as to how Bible-believing Christians are to live their lives. Colossians 3:17 states our purpose this way, “Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.” Regarding our interactions with the lost, unbelieving world, Jesus states this in Matthew 5:16, “Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.” Some familiar verses are Matthew 28:18-20, also known as the Great Commission, “And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.’” In summary, all that we do is to bring glory and honor to God. Regarding the lost of this world, Christians bring glory to God when God uses the believer to further His kingdom through evangelism and discipleship. This is to be the motivation of the Bible-believing Christian’s interaction with the world. Regarding ecumenical ventures, we need to ask ourselves whether or not these goals are being pursued. Often, in our day, the political and/or social desires of the participants are the driving motivators behind an ecumenical venture. A prime example of this is the current drive to pass a constitutional amendment declaring that the only marriage that will be recognized in the United States is the traditional, man/woman union. If our churches ecumenically join together in pursuit of this goal (passing out fliers, hosting a rally, etc), how are we striving for the above stated biblical purposes? Are we not simply striving for political and social achievement? How will the practicing, unbelieving homosexual view our Savior and Lord if all he sees in us is political activism and no compassion and no outreach? The ultimate goal of our actions should be the salvation of lost sinners, which we once were (Ephesians 2:1-3). The Bible tells us that the angels of heaven rejoice over one sinner who repents (Luke 15:10). There is no passage that declares that the angels rejoice when a law is passed. This applies to homosexuality, abortion, drug-abuse, etc. God is glorified when we demonstrate Christlikeness to the lost. As we contemplate ecumenical ventures within our society, we need to make sure the venture is one in which God’s kingdom is expanded through pursuing the lost with the gospel, be they practicing immorality, abortion-rights activists, homeless, drug-abusers, criminals, etc. In conclusion, should we be involved in ecumenical cooperation with other Christians and churches? If the above conditions are met in a God-honoring way, we may freely and joyfully join with other believers in pursuit of God’s kingdom. The ultimate goal is God’s glory and the evangelism and discipleship of the lost. The ecumenical venture must be structured in this way. Thus, those we join with must believe the biblical definition of the gospel and they must also be about seeking the same goal of God’s glory and the salvation of the lost.

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